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tl;dr We're all guilty of posting unattributed content from the internet/eBooks etc from time to time, but do we have strong enough guidelines to deal with issues when they arise.

Quite often when I see questions/answers here on Chem.SE, they contain content that is directly photographed/screenshotted from external content (i'm guilty of doing this too, before its pointed out).

A lot of the time, this material has came straight from google (i.e. is readily available already on the internet and as such I see no huge issue with it being re-posted here, though we could all be better with attribution) however on occasion I see content clearly not in the public domain (as an example, see THIS very well discussed question, which has screenshots from a fairly expensive book which the poster has downloaded illegally- the watermarks are still visible).

This material seems to often fall into two categories:

  1. Screenshots from books that shouldn't be in the public domain/are clearly pirated
  2. Questions typed out from books with the poster looking for answers, or even questions from Universities that are not in the public domain.

I'd never really considered this a huge issue, however I was in conversation with someone who was in the process of writing a solutions manual for a book from which questions/screenshots have appeared here, and he expressed his significant frustration that this material was getting banded around with people clearly neither buying the book nor the solutions manual.

For discussion:

a. Do we think theres an issue considering the minute amount of content posted as a % of an entire book etc? (though arguably over time, there is a cumulative effect).

b. If a copyright owner wants material taken down, how can they best do this? to my knowledge there isn't really a mechanism on stack exchange for this other than flagging posts / editing them and including some kind of 'image removed' copyright notice.

Discuss.

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  • $\begingroup$ I have taken a closer look at that question you linked (which I was not aware of), and I'm not sure I can remove the content without destroying the question completely. I will think on it further, though, because I definitely do not want to encourage posting material that has been obtained nefariously, either. $\endgroup$ – jonsca Jul 17 '16 at 1:53
  • $\begingroup$ Thanks of the reply. I wasn't looking for anyone to actively deal with that question, it was more a discussion of the fact that I hadn't realised that people not on Chem.SE actively know about Chem.SE (which I guess is a good thing...) but the implication of that is we should perhaps in future be more careful with whats being posted. $\endgroup$ – NotEvans. Jul 17 '16 at 10:08
  • $\begingroup$ related: meta.chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/230/… $\endgroup$ – Mithoron Jul 17 '16 at 15:06
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    $\begingroup$ @NotNicolaou I would put "The implication of that is..." right in the body of the question in bold! I think that is a good take home message from all of this :) I included all of the boilerplate below so that people could consult the proper channels at SE if necessary, because we do take this type of thing very seriously! I regret that I don't have more of a chance to screen every post, but the community can certainly do that level of policing and let mods know as problems arise. $\endgroup$ – jonsca Jul 17 '16 at 20:42
  • $\begingroup$ One thing to consider is that copyright requires the work to be original and minimally creative. Expressing a reaction using skeletal structures is not considered creative, so even with the watermark, its not considered copyright infringement. $\endgroup$ – A.K. Jul 25 '16 at 16:29
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There is a mechanism in place to request that copyrighted material be taken down: It can be found under section 15 of the http://stackexchange.com/legal/terms-of-service.

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In terms of your first concern, fair use is definitely a factor in using a limited amount of scholarly material without explicit permission, but a good faith effort in locating the source of the material (and using appropriate blockquoting, etc.) has been what we've striven for on the site. Plagiarism is certainly not tolerated under any circumstance.

Any time there's a question of whether something is acceptable, it's okay to flag and ask. If we don't know the answer, we can follow up with one of the CMs.

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  • $\begingroup$ Thanks @Martin! $\endgroup$ – jonsca Jul 18 '16 at 22:59
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    $\begingroup$ By the way, note that images of simple structural formulas are ineligible for copyright and therefore in the public domain. $\endgroup$ – Loong Jul 22 '16 at 18:14
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    $\begingroup$ @Loong Was not aware. Never hurts to give a hat tip to your source, though, either way. $\endgroup$ – jonsca Jul 22 '16 at 23:06

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