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This is not yet a fully-fledged answer, merely a fragment of a thought, but I feel it is important enough for me to drop it here already and come back later™. Especially for calculation questions, we should make good and frequent use of duplicates. ‘These are my mass percentages, how do I arrive at a sum formula?’ → dupe to corresponding canonical. ‘What’s ...


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And now I think, it is quite apparent that we need a close reason for zero-effort questions to simply save out time, because the absolute majority of questions that were previoulsy closed as homework ones are now closed with this very custom reason (zero-effort). Yes, I know that judging an effort is subjective, but: It is not the tough to spot zero-effort ...


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The Problem As I See It I would argue that the underlying reason for the dynamics on the site leading to this question, as well as more than one other recent meta question (here and here too), is: The scope of the Chemistry.SE site is improperly defined. In some cases, the scope may be ill-defined; in others, it may be well defined, but badly so. ...


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This issue has likely been raised before, either on meta or in chat, but I'm on a bus now so am lazy to look for it. Our stance on this is that, it is much better to have a clear answer saying DO NOT DO THIS and explaining why, rather than simply closing it. Echoing chipbuster's comment, this may simply lead to people getting advice from less scrupulous ...


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My stand on those raised points: These are questions we should decide the ultimate fate of: Easily Google-able questions Why does oil float in water? Questions of this kind should be (currently) closed as too broad, i.e. the answer is either incomplete or too long. One example from today is: Solubility of gases (deleted, 10k+), ...


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PSA: Please do not flag homework questions for moderator attention... ...because we will not closehammer them. We would really like to move away from the current homework close reason, this experiment is not here simply to make everybody's life more difficult. If we thought status quo was alright then we wouldn't be doing this. So far we have gotten quite ...


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I would like to propose the following phrasing: Questions should ask about one specific concept that can potentially be applicable to future visitors and askers. To give you an idea of what I mean, here are some stuff that I think should be closed: Conceptual query not identified Help name this molecule pls. Quite self-explanatory; most homework ...


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In conclusion ... Although Wildcat basically already said it, I would like to add a few thoughts and numbers. I have to admit that this illdesigned, untargeted "experiment" did not turn out the way I would liked it to have. Some of my initial thoughts I have already shared with you: Let's talk about effort, shall we? This, however, did not ...


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Questions on illicit drugs have been and are always difficult on this site, which is fine. I do not share Todd's opinion in points (1) and (2) of his answer, but he made his concerns perfectly clear, which I appreciate! I wasn't involved in closing the question but I'm among those who downvoted it. I do not intend to revoke it, neither do I think that ...


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I voted to close that question for several reasons. Unfortunately, the menu of options for reason to close are limited so I went with the medical option. Here are my reasons for doing so. (1) The question is (broadly speaking) one concerning how to adulterate an illicit and very dangerous drug. There is a finite chance that a person wishing to experiment ...


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I want to begin by clarifying: it is not ‘“all-powerful” moderators’ (quotation marks present in the original) that close questions. Rather, like practically everything on Stack Exchange with the exception of deleting comments, it is the community as a whole that closes and reopens questions. The community as a whole — like all across Stack Exchange — means ...


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This very much isn’t a fully thought out answer, but it was a lot longer than I could fit into a comment. Just my two english cent. . . Effort as a metric for closure Broadly speaking, I agree that effort (or lack thereof) in itself isn’t a particularly great metric for whether or not a question deserves help. When we’ve been discussing this, the tex....


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My own opinion is broadly the same - I think that "effort" is a poor criterion for judging question quality. I have discussed this before. In my opinion, the most important bit is this: In one of the worst case scenarios, OP's "efforts" are way off the mark and simply become useless noise for future readers. In another bad scenario, OP's efforts are ...


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If we would like to move away from the "effort" angle, then the tooltip that pops up when hovering over a downvote button should be changed.


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I have previously been vocal about my dissatisfaction with the close reason and it is no secret that I want to rework it completely. As a matter of fact, I'd like to even toss in the idea of completely disabling it as an interim solution, while we work out a new system. (Closing "as homework" would still be available via the custom reason, but it might set a ...


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Wildcat's response to #4 fired off a thought: what if the odious aspect of a not enough effort question has less to do with the effort an OP has put into understanding and working on the question, but the effort the OP has put into engaging with the Chem.SE community? That is, what if the behavior we're trying to discourage is more about rudeness to the kind ...


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To close, or not to close, — that is the question: — Whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous research lack, Or to take arms against a sea of troubles, And by closing end them? — To die, to sleep, —        Hydrogen, americium, iodine, ethyl. Lack of research is not enough ...


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Actually, I can see why one might want to close a question that is based on a false premise. In the worst case scenario, you end up correcting misconception after misconception of OP, and digressing further and further from the crux of the original question. In the end, your answer becomes 90% about other stuff and only 10% of it answers the actual question. ...


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These ideas are tangentially related, but because they fit well along the tone of this meta post, I'll add them in: Please don't VTC because a question is poorly formatted Please don't put put a close vote just because a question is poorly formatted. Consider editing the OP's question instead to make it clearer. After all, the CV queue has an option to "...


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Bennett, I appreciated your previous detailed meta post, however, this one honestly goes a bit off-track. First, I hope you have read our Help center page on closing questions. If so, you would know that a moderator closing questions is different from regular users closing questions. The regular users in this context are +3k users, users who've spent time on ...


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Even though this question is answered in the multiple duplicates, I would like to make it abundantly clear: there won't be any migration paths set up. We will do them manually; quoting myself: Please vote to close on question you think do not belong to our site with a custom reason explaining your reasoning. Once a question is closed, flag it for ...


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In principle, I don't agree with it, because of the idea of SE aiming towards being a complete repository of information, blah blah. In practice, I've long given up on being idealistic, especially when it comes to close reasons; and it's not as if 'homework' is perfect in that regard either. The thing about 'general resources' in chemistry is that they are ...


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This should not have been closed as homework, but rather as unclear because the key details are missing. I also do not think that this question is off-topic in any way. I can remember doing an experiment like this and I think this question if included those details would be helpful for generations to come. I have left the following comment to address the ...


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Just adding to Jan's answer, I'd like to just put it out there that if you disagree about the closure of a question, you can either Ask somebody in chat (moderators are always around) or Post on meta with a link to your question and the tag specific-question


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Here's my perspective on tweaking the policy. I've tried to work it from the very fundamentals, rather than carry-forward the three categories you defined. To be honest, the current homework close reason as it is defined, bending on "effort" as a metric, is not good at all. Effort as a criterion is too vague to implement properly in any way possible, as we ...


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This is less an answer to your question, but some context for others who might wonder where it comes from. If you do not have the close and reopen privilege (> 3000 reputation), which is probably rather hard to obtain, you do not see the reason, why the question was closed: On the other hand, if you do have that privilege, you see the reason: I ...


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Comment, comment, comment! Maybe leave a link or two to a helpful wiki article, there are a couple helpful chemistry sites... Post a formula, ask questions, there are so many things you can do. Those who want to understand the problem will try to use those hints, subsequently improve their post and eventual receive an answer. You can even engage in a ...


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Not sure if I will find some time for a chat session, so below are my few thoughts on the matter (just in case if I will miss the session). The tag should be definitely renamed to something like homework-and-exercises (as it was done on Physics.SE) and the tag info should mention that the tag applies not only to homework assignments but also to self-study ...


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