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Original Post I think the key is to decide what the point of asking the user to "show their work" is - are we encouraging them to do it themselves, or are we trying to understand where they are stuck? If we want them to prove that they have put in a significant effort towards working the problem themselves, then your second example is more appropriate. ...

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The Problem As I See It I would argue that the underlying reason for the dynamics on the site leading to this question, as well as more than one other recent meta question (here and here too), is: The scope of the Chemistry.SE site is improperly defined. In some cases, the scope may be ill-defined; in others, it may be well defined, but badly so. ...

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And now I think, it is quite apparent that we need a close reason for zero-effort questions to simply save out time, because the absolute majority of questions that were previoulsy closed as homework ones are now closed with this very custom reason (zero-effort). Yes, I know that judging an effort is subjective, but: It is not the tough to spot zero-effort ...

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Pre-experiment stats up to 2016/08/31 16:00 UTC. Post-experiment stats up to 2016/10/01 16:00 UTC. Total question statistics \begin{array}{|c|c|c|} \hline & \textbf{Pre-experiment} & \textbf{Post-experiment} \\ \hline \text{No. of questions} & 16\,753 & 17\,385 \\ \text{Qns without accepted answers} & 8\,376 \,(50.00\%) & 8\,718\,...

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The homework policy and the associated tag is something we have discussed previously at length, so I will refer you to Do we really need [homework]? [Part 3] - this is where we decided that the tag itself is not particularly useful, and that we should stop applying it to new posts. The bottom line is that: We don't have a clear cut definition of what is and ...

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Making the home work policy known This should really already be the case. Anecdotally I think that we are doing this quite well, but if there are cases where it isn't being done, please do do it. Offering a hint. If you really want to, that's probably fine. It does already happen somewhat regularly. But please use comments, not answers. As Jon ...

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My stand on those raised points: These are questions we should decide the ultimate fate of: Easily Google-able questions Why does oil float in water? Questions of this kind should be (currently) closed as too broad, i.e. the answer is either incomplete or too long. One example from today is: Solubility of gases (deleted, 10k+), ...

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"What is a 'homework question'?" may be the wrong question to ask. This comes out of the thought that 'homework' is the wrong word for it. "Homework" questions don't need to be actual homework. You can be a 60-something person who hasn't seen the inside of a school for 40+ years and still ask a "homework question". Better ...

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I might as well get things started, to prove that others care too, you know... My opinion can be summed up with a single image. This is not going to be a well-reasoned or well-organized argument, but a "me first" 5-espresso-fueled tiny rant. Nuke them. Nuke them with extreme prejudice. The questions themselves may be well-researched or show lots of "...

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PSA: Please do not flag homework questions for moderator attention... ...because we will not closehammer them. We would really like to move away from the current homework close reason, this experiment is not here simply to make everybody's life more difficult. If we thought status quo was alright then we wouldn't be doing this. So far we have gotten quite ...

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I would like to see it gone. There was a time, where we were still struggling with the scope of the site and where the community was small and where we were not sure in which way we would like to steer the ship. At that time it was useful to tackle the "homework" questions in a way that they do create bias. I'm quoting a very old stance of Manish: ...

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In conclusion ... Although Wildcat basically already said it, I would like to add a few thoughts and numbers. I have to admit that this illdesigned, untargeted "experiment" did not turn out the way I would liked it to have. Some of my initial thoughts I have already shared with you: Let's talk about effort, shall we? This, however, did not ...

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"People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" springs to mind. Most homework questions I see fall into one of two categories: the first category is questions like the photo in your question. These are often dealt with very rapidly, and we already have a policy in place (even taking into account the fact that the homework close reason has now ...

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The current Homework Policy only requires that you show some effort in solving the problem. The reason such obligations are deemed necessary is that 'requiring effort' is one of the best ways to maintain quality and not let it reduce while there's a lot of potential for increasing bad questions. I imagine such a question, with some elegant phrasing, would ...

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We should let it die after a rewrite of the homework policy As is, I think the biggest problem with deleting homework is our mediocre homework policy that somehow asks for some kind of a bookkeeping tool of what is homework, what isn’t, what is allowed homework and what should be nuked from orbit. I have previously given my input of when I consider ...

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My own opinion is broadly the same - I think that "effort" is a poor criterion for judging question quality. I have discussed this before. In my opinion, the most important bit is this: In one of the worst case scenarios, OP's "efforts" are way off the mark and simply become useless noise for future readers. In another bad scenario, OP's efforts are ...

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This very much isn’t a fully thought out answer, but it was a lot longer than I could fit into a comment. Just my two english cent. . . Effort as a metric for closure Broadly speaking, I agree that effort (or lack thereof) in itself isn’t a particularly great metric for whether or not a question deserves help. When we’ve been discussing this, the tex....

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tl;dr In general I agree, that there is an issue with the homework policy. I don't think it is done by including waiting periods and/ or new rules. I think we have to rebuild homework guidelines from scratch. This discussion smoothly (or maybe not) outlines some of the problems with our current homework policy. I have so far refrained from touching the ...

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TL;DR Close under HW policy So, my stance is in the comment section. My first thought is: close the question, but in the spirit of friendliness, we can still leave a comment saying "yes, you're right". What exactly do we want to close the question as? That depends on whether we want to dedicate a custom close reason to this, or whether we want to expand ...

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Turn them into canonical questions, close as duplicates. I personally am not a big fan of these kinds of questions, as they basically already violate our homework policy, which clearly states that a question shall be conceptual. (One of the points I would like to highlight in a revised version.) If it is already fully answered, then there is not much to be ...

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When I read your post's title, I thought you were talking about answers. Well, comments aren't a big deal. What to do when I see a comment that potentially answers a question that should've been closed? In most cases, nothing. Almost all of the comments I've seen tend to provide hints rather than spoonfeeding the answer outright. Those require some thinking ...

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I upvoted the question because it is a good question. However, I do not agree with the suggested proposal. Stack Exchange’s policy is to attract high-quality questions by delivering high-quality answers. It is a key part of that policy to require questions to have a certain standard. This is one of the reasons why the upvote arrow’s tooltip reads: This ...

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I have previously been vocal about my dissatisfaction with the close reason and it is no secret that I want to rework it completely. As a matter of fact, I'd like to even toss in the idea of completely disabling it as an interim solution, while we work out a new system. (Closing "as homework" would still be available via the custom reason, but it might set a ...

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If we would like to move away from the "effort" angle, then the tooltip that pops up when hovering over a downvote button should be changed.

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While I did not close this question, I downvoted it, and the reason is quite obvious: revisions 1 and 2 in the revision history are not very good. (I have since retracted the downvote.) The title is pretty much useless, and one has to click on the link to see the choices C and D. Three of the close votes came before the question was edited to include the ...

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My analysis of the stats Nothing has really changed at all during the experiment. My interpretation of the above Most HW closures are done "correctly", i.e. for blatant homework dumps. I looked into the most recent questions closed as homework (20 or so, out of a total of 133; this information is available from the 10k tools). All of them are directly ...

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I've accepted thomij's answer for this question, but I don't want this dialog to die down, as there's still a bit to be hammered out. I'm going to try to incorporate the highlights from my comments above as well. Where the "enough" line should be drawn is a matter of debate, but it will be objective once it has been decided and can clearly be explained ...

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Another point to note is that if the stumbling block of the asker is truly elementary, then the answer is likely easily available spelled out for them from other sources (as it would be in your example for molarity, they merely have to throw moles/molarity/similar into google along with an optional what is/how to/what are etc to find something that will ...

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